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Tuesday, August 31, 2004 |
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>>If the only thing Amport ever accomplishes is to suck people out of the circus, I would call that a success.<<
I would call it just another waste of time. Is Amport really a business or is it just some treatment program for disgruntled former Circus clowns? You guys are FINALLY admitting that Amport is nothing more than a noble crusade to save a few souls from the circus. To me that is weak and very misleading at best. Why wasn't Amport promoted as being an circus treatment program from the beginning? The warning signs were evident from the very beginning: 1) My ass hurts 2) My mother in law kicked me off her computer again 3) I have absolutely no commonsense whatsoever 4) I like kitties. Mostly the soft and cuddly variety with the white paws. Occasionally I like to fondle the short hairs. 5) The name, Non-Believer, the game, tracking multi-linking websites and attacking them with my gibberish. I'm not even sure what that means, I just can't stop saying it. 6) I have a little case of oops I mean I have a friend that has a little case of...uhhh nevermind. 7) Pinks everywhere!!! 8) And now my ding a ling pops up! (4"...allegedly). Now all of a sudden it is "poor LITTLE circus" instead of the serious business oportunity it was supposed to be. Great timing fellas'...eh? It's about that time to start asking yourselves...what's left or what's right? I have to hold up my indext finger and thumb to make an "L" so I can tell the difference. Posted by: vzone1701 / 1:51 PM |
Monday, March 08, 2004 |
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I BEAT MY KIDS Posted by: Non-Believer / 10:44 PM |
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THE REAL ‘DOC MARTENS’ Part I
“All marketing begins with getting attention. Pay Per Click advertising is one way to get targeted attention.” And covertly stealing Amway’s name by including it in your keyword list is another brilliant way of ‘getting attention.‘ Multiple posts about absolutely nothing to keep your posts at the top of the heap on any Amway board in existence can also be beneficial to a prosperous Passport business. “Tonight I will put on my Doc Martens and my Levi’s and I will lift a Micro-Brew to toast our freedom. Freedom from Amway – Quixtar.” I found a different ‘Doc Martens’ (not the kind you wear but the kind you pay $50 - 100 per session to chat with on a regular basis). Once you finally decide to leave this mlm nightmare for good, he might be a good source of some useful information instead of jumping into the next mlm scheme that pops up. Here are some observations from his site that describe what he terms ‘psychopathy.’ “poor judgment and failure to learn from experience” “ lack of remorse or shame, impulsivity, grandiose sense of self-worth, pathological lying, manipulative behavior, poor self-control .” "If it looks like a duck....walks like a duck....talks like a duck...it probably ain't a mountain lion" NB 2004.... Posted by: Non-Believer / 10:43 PM |
Saturday, January 24, 2004 |
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Club Scene III
Non-Believer: (Looking at a female) Mama told me about folk like ya'll. Female: You look 40 years old, you still live with your Mama? Non-Believer: No, I just hike 2 blocks to her house to use her computer to discuss multi-linking-freeshopping stuff, since I don't have one. Female: So what happened to your teeth? Non-Believer: 4 teeth is enough for me. Female: OK, what do you do? Non-Believer: I talk about multi-linking-free-shop stuff on a message board. Female: So you are unemployed? Non-Believer: No, I am a mutli-linking-anti-am-junkie-expert. Female: Will you go away? Non-Believer: Sorry. Posted by: Non-Believer / 2:07 PM |
Sunday, January 18, 2004 |
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Comments: >> I spent more than 7 years in amway and my eight yers old daughter was molested by my upline. Reapeadedly. We confroted him about htis and he denied it unitl we found a shoebox full of polaroids. We were outraged but since he was a diamond nobody believed us until they saw the pictures and some still believed him.<< Amazing. But I bet he ran to AmPort just as soon as Bo said it was free of child molesting. This is disgusting....and typical! Posted by: Non-Believer / 6:35 PM |
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Comments: >>How do you know the intitial funding of Passport came from money made in Quixtar?<< It may not have. Amway could have just been merely easy pocket change from the JOB incomes of his downline followers and 'hi speed dubbing' tape collectors. The real money could have come from motivational speaker fees (outside of Amway), books, and associations with controversial politicians like Strom Thurmond and Trent Lott (and various others) at the American Leadership Foundation and from getting a ticket to 'strol'l the halls on capitol hill. >>This makes no sense. If he was challenging the system and trying to make changes in order to make it better, why would he resign before he realized that the changes were not going to happen?<< How do you know he was 'challenging' the system? I have yet to see any Bo Short V. Amway lawsuits anywhere. As to the 'why he resigned' issue....that puddle was probably dry and it was time to move on to greener pastures called.....Passport! Posted by: Non-Believer / 6:34 PM |
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Comments: Banking It, Since you claim to only buy books that are available at Barnes & Nobel, does your TOD group push similiar garbage like I have posted below? Do the (3) TOD diamonds put out stuff like this? "a real live "animal house" by nolan and hulda dunlap "hot and wealthy, or cool and broke" - a two tape set by randy and susan walker, "what ever happened to easy street" by bev johnson, "every month costs" you by charlie and dale krazit, "if you're committed, they won't laugh" by mark and tammy crawford, "the lifestyle of a caveman" by darrell and delaine rupe, "monkey to millionaire" by jerry and peggy boggus Some of the titles are pretty hilarious..... Posted by: Non-Believer / 6:34 PM |
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Comments: >>Passport wouldn't have a story to tell if MLM didn't have issues. I believe Passport is filling a void in the industry. In my opinion, my group is growing because people are better educated about MLM today than they were in the past and because people are sick and tired of being taken advantage of.<< Nope. You group is 'growing' because you were able to recruit some of the same people who believed in your nonsense in Amway. I wonder how many NEW non-mlm/Amway recruits you have signed up for Passport?....probably NONE. >>Passport offers people that believe in the concept of MLM a fair shot....no more, no less.<< Prove it! Where are the facts? All we have so far is that Passport rebates back $82 a month (on average). That alone means nothing. Posted by: Non-Believer / 6:33 PM |
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Homepage URL: http://www.amquix.info/sounds/tod/tod_website.mp3 Comments: Banking It' What is pathetic? 1) What about trying to hide the connection with Amway behind the smokescreen of the TOD cult...err...shopper's club? "We tie into Microsoft......err.........Fry Media.......err..........(What's the name of that other company?.........err.......Quixtar.........err.....IBM." 2) Blatantly disregarding laws and regulations that forbid operating buyer's clubs where the members only buy stuff from themselves. 3) Exaggerating potential income (from the backs of the fellow shopper's downline) 4) And about another million other reasons I can't go into now. Turn off the 'hi-speed dubbing' machine for a second and listen to this one sound bite. If that doesn't sound deceptive or misleading, then they need to change the definition in webster's. Posted by: Non-Believer / 6:33 PM |
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Homepage URL: http://www.amquix.info/tod_open.html Comments: This came from a link to Scott Larsen's site on the QBLOG site about TOD. It is pretty pathetic...What do you think it 'Banking It' or Gonna' Bank It...Eventually?...about buying stuff from yourself? I guess I need to find a 400ft cliff to jump off of to see what it feels like...to be rich from buying from my own store. Posted by: Non-Believer / 6:33 PM |
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Comments: This is a national holiday weekend. I heard that alot of the functions are scheduled during these time periods just in case some of the Amway Coventioneer's are able to get the actual federal holiday on Monday off from their JOBs. At least that is what has been posted on these 'bathroom walls'....I have heard. Instead of driving back home late Sunday night from a weekend of gleeful bliss with only a couple of hours rest and having to punch in at the 'Just Over Broke' clock on Monday, they can just chill for a day while getting the 'hi speed dubbing' cassette machines lubed for the next round of tapes, finishing off the last chapters of 'How to be a Millionaire and Influence Complete Strangers how to do the same', or listen to the latest message on the AmBox from upline on how to look for the next sucker who is vulnerable enough to fall for the 'plan'... ect... I wonder if Banking It' is working overtime at his JOB to finance this weekend's trip for his upline? Who knows......... Posted by: Non-Believer / 6:32 PM |
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Comments: Humor O' the Day...Part 1000 * Note: I didn't make this one up. It is an example that I found of a Passport associate's approach to get total strangers/'customers' to purchase their wares. (The names have been changed to protect the innocent). SxxxFxxx: Hey Buddy, how are your knees feeling? -- A nice ice breaker to get the conversation going with a total stranger. Buddy: You know how my knees are feeling, I am 6'2 and 290 lbs. My knees hurt. SxxxFxxx: 'ever try Glucosomine? Buddy: No. SxxxFxxx: Try this. (Tosses bottle at Buddy) -- Yeah Right!!!...like you would have a a couple hundred spare bottles in your trunk to pass out every month. Buddy: OK. SxxxFxxx: If you like it, you know where to get it. -- "Yep, sure do...at the store." Buddy: This isn't AMWAY is it? SxxxFxxx: No it isn't. - After ALL these years, he can finally tell the truth about it really NOT being Amway You gotta give it to em'...this dude is smooth....(with a capital 'S'). Posted by: Non-Believer / 6:31 PM |
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Homepage URL: http://www.drugstore.com/ Comments: "Why beat your head against the wall when you can find companies that pay out 50%, have free training already in place, and have products that are reasonably priced? Don't look at this as a commercial for Passport...look around the industry." Yeah...Right.... "Have you ever taken the time to do some price studies?" PharmAssure Prostate Health Formula $12.99 60 EA. Passport Prostate Formula $14.95 60 EA. Suave Herbal Care Shampoo with Aloe Vera, Honeysuckle & Vitamin E $1.99 22 Fl. OZ. Passport Daily Shampoo w/Aloe Vera Shampoo with Vitamin E and B-5 $3.95 10 Fl. OZ. Ivory Liquid Hand Soap/7.5 OZ. $1.69 Passport Hand Soap/ 8 OZ. $4.95 * All available online with FREE SHIPPING for orders over $49. No hassling family, friends and strangers on Amway boards about the biz op...No carputunal syndrome from posting multiple multi-linked messages all accross the internet....No webmastering at 5 or 6 boards that nobody but your downline visits...and most importantly, your dignity is preserved because you had the courage not to fall for this nonsense in the first place. Posted by: Non-Believer / 6:31 PM |
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Comments: Market Saturation at the BLOG, Do you want to see something that is really funny? Go to the QBLOG site and watch the Passport recruiters compete with thier multi-linked messages that all lead back to BO's mirror sites. They will comment on ANYTHING just to get their multi-linked messages to the top of the heap. Looks like FreeShop has some serious competition over there. I wonder why they refuse to post here? Could it be because this isn't a 'safe' Amway friendly site? Well, I was thrown out on my A$$ by the moderator at the new Passport site. I didn't even get a chance to post. It was really no big loss to me because they only had a handful of believers and about 20 posts (mostly the moderator explaining why it is a good idea to join multiple pyramid schemes) over the last couple of months. Posted by: Non-Believer / 6:31 PM |
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Comments: The Tape Dilemma Part 4 >>10,000 x 104 (only two tapes per week) = 1,040,000. $1 Million x $6.00 = $6 Million dollars...not $58 Million.<< I will concede on this one because you might be right. Considering TOD only has 3 diamonds and Brother Orrin had to go through all those ridiculous financing maneuvers to buy his 3 million dollar recording studio/condo, it is probably closer to 6 million instead of 58 million dollars. If it were 58 mil, Brother Orrin could have financed the 3 million dollar condo with his pocket change. He could have even provided a bonus condo each for his 2 other TOD go get em' brethern who hold the same title. I still bet that number is alot higher than 6 mil. I'll guess and say it is between 15 to 20 mil. Not bad for a cassette tape business.... Posted by: Non-Believer / 6:30 PM |
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Comments: The Tape Dilemma Part 3 52 X 4 = 208 per year 208 X 40,000 = 8,320,000 8,320,000 X $7.00 = $58,240,000 * Assuming you have 40,000 TOD go-getter's Banking It, what is your current tape count (and your spouse's...if TOD does have a women's tape club)? I know you have cleared the century mark (a couple of times) by now. Posted by: Non-Believer / 6:29 PM |
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Comments: Banking It' You never got around to answering the question "Does TOD have a women's tape club"? I might have to adjust that 2000 tapes figure (for a TOD veteran) if this is true. Also, can you list some of the titles of the books that TOD forces...err...'encourages' the women of the TOD family to read? Can you imagine a TOD household with two 'high speed dubbing' cassette decks going at the same time? That would truely be nerve racking. I hope they took the time to invest in a couple of sets of headphones from one of the Amway 'partners' at the site.. Posted by: Non-Believer / 6:29 PM |
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Comments: >>The women's book club does the same thing. This is much more than simply a money making thing, this is about character development and self improvement while at the same time making money.<< WOW...that's the first time I have heard about a women's book club. Do they also have a women's tape club? "Not to make money of course"...lol >>Every tape is different. You listened to 3 minutes of one CD and think every tape or CD must be the same. But you have an open mind?<< It has already been established that a veteran 'go-getter' in TOD will accumulate over 2000 tapes over a ten year career. How many tapes do you really need? All I needed was one...and it was free of charge (to me that is). Posted by: Non-Believer / 6:29 PM |
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Comments: Oh..I forgot one 14) EBAY site - To clear out a decades worth of Amway inventory from the attached warehouse at the crib Posted by: Non-Believer / 6:25 PM |
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Comments: How to be a successful business man from the Comfort of Your Home: How many web sites/domains/redirect sites and Amway message boards do you need to run a business while cozyed up in the traditional Passport business suit? Let's count shall we... 1) Bo's site 2) a 19.95 mirror site to Bo's site (no longer required...I guess). 3) Free mirror site to Bo's site 4) Another free mirror site to Bo's site 5) Shizzel site 6) Your own Blog site 7) Yahoo Groups site 8) Go Daddy Dot Com site 9) MLM Survior's site 10) Qblog site 11) Amquix site 12) The AMH site (occassionally). 13) AmwayNow site ( now defunct) That'll get the word out...no doubt. Posted by: Non-Believer / 6:25 PM |
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Comments: >>You don't listen to the tapes, so you don't know what's on the tapes.<< I did listen to one CD (3 minutes worth). If that is a sample of what's on the rest...you can keep it. >>You don't go to functions, so you don't understand the benefit of the functions.<< I have never jumped off a 400 ft. cliff either. >>You don't read the positive books, so you don't think in a positive way.<< And yes Banking It', I do read 'REAL' books. I just finished Eric Fonner's PUBLIC ACCOMODATIONS for some research I had to do about some Supreme Court cases. You won't find this one on your upline's booklist so you might have to visit the library to find this one. (It might even be a good opportunity to spread the word about TOD). And no, I have not read the latest manefesto from Diamond Dave & Debbie's 'I'll See You At The River' or Manny the Motivator's 'Who Needs a JOB'. I looked hard but I just couldn't find them on the shelves. >>You have never sat through a TOD business plan, so you don't know the full extent of the business opportunity.<< You have done a pretty good job here on this board. Are you saying that you are lying to us? Posted by: Non-Believer / 6:24 PM |
Monday, January 05, 2004 |
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Name: Non-Believer
Comments: >>Is Don out showing the plan in people's living room with a white board and marker? Absolutely. Is he showing up to IHOP and drinking water waiting for a no show? Yes he is...<< I have read alot of your hypothetical ambabblings but this one might just take the cake. 'IF' Donnie is the proud owner, CEO, whatever....of a multi-million dollar company, I seriously doubt he has any idea where a IHOP's (or Denny's) is within a 100 miles of his house (or my house for that matter). And I SERIOUSLY doubt 'Donnie" is at the white board in some strangers living room. Now...on the golf course with some other white collar associates discussing how they can tap into a pool of a couple hundred thousand loyal Amway buyer's club JOB incomes by spouting a bunch of nonsense...now that's another matter. I think I'm dumb.... Posted by: Non-Believer / 12:57 PM |
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Comments: >>Team of Destiny members claim to have a 600% growth rate, and they will need every last bit of that rate if they want the numbers to stay even while using those tactics. People are tired of being lied to and taken advantage of. JUST TELL THE TRUTH!<< So would we (tired of being lied to and just want the truth). If Passport is experiencing a 1% attrition rate, where did you get that data from? Is Bo willing to stand behind that number or is this just some kind of desperate recruiting scheme from on of his internet recruiting minions? BTW...It might be a good time to produce those 'other' Passport numbers to make TOD look just like another money losing pyramid scheme. They are up $115 to $82 a month...on average...at last count. I might not join any longer! Posted by: Non-Believer / 12:56 PM |
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Name: Non-Believer
Comments: Banking It, >>Don Freeze already ran a multi-million dollar international company before joining TOD...<< I bet he almost blew a gasket when he saw that first $7.00 check. Six months later...he could be 'Banking It' at 59 bucks per.. P.S...do you really think we are that stupid or does 'Donnie' believe he has a few hundred thousand 'vulnerable' people to take advantage of? Is it possible that he could 'buy' himself to the next level faster than others or do you think the CEO of a 'multi-million dollar' company is out STP'ing at the local malls and discount stores? Come on...give me a break one I am that stupid, not the rest of the board!!! "Who needs a stinkin' multi-million dollar international company...we got Amway?" Posted by: Non-Believer / 12:54 PM |
Saturday, January 03, 2004 |
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Name: Non-Believer
Comments: >>So what really sets Passport apart? 2. Truly Home Based. If you are not in the business of making money by having meetings, and the business is simple enough to explain over the phone or online, why take you time away from your family when you can accomplish the same things from home?<< Can you say...I smoked away all my brain cells in the sixties!!! 1) How do you get those phone numbers? I haven't seen any posted on these Amway boards. Do you just go down the list in the local phone book? You better not call my house, now that I am a card-carrying member of the 'IDIOTS "R" US' club. Something tells me that you might have to leave the house to collect those numbers. 2) I bet your 'free' mirror website is being overloaded with multiple requests for cans of Prostate Formula and bags of Renewing Essence from your efforts on these boards. Posted by: Non-Believer / 11:40 AM |
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Comments: >>The leaders of TOD have big nice houses that are paid for...these people built the business the same way you and your ex did.<< I also heard the leader of Passport lives in a big nice house (according to one of the Passport members that used to post here. He made that statement in an attempt to refute the claim that Passport was going under and Bo had put his house up for sale). I wonder where the TOD 'leaders' are getting the money to pay for those 'big nice houses'? Could it be I'm a moron? What about the soap? Double XX...or the XS energy drinks? Nope....It's all in the hope, tapes, videos, function tickets, and convincing others like 'Banking It' to buy unnecessary goods from (sometimes bankrupt companies) for themselves. Posted by: Non-Believer / 11:38 AM |
Tuesday, December 30, 2003 |
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Name: Non-Believer
Homepage URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MLMQuestions/ Comments: Humor o' the Day, I quess FreeShop couldn't ride the free (I'm retarded) QBLOG advertising campaign ...even with the great motivational tape salesman 'Bo' himself riding the deception train with him over there. He has finally decided to form his own 'free' Yahoo Groups. It's about time he spends time advertising on his own board. Now this one is truly funny (I'm pathetic)...just stick with me here... "Tips from Big AL" "Welcome to Tip #42 of the '77 More Hot Prospecting Ideas' series. Tip #42: 'Cheap' coupon prospecting - cool idea. "Turn your business card into a coupon. Instead of printing a paper coupon, make your entire business card a coupon." - Who in the hell is 'big AL? Who the hell am I? Posted by: Non-Believer / 10:34 PM |
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Name: Non-Believer
Comments: "Please do not consider this SPAM. I invited this guy to post here from another forum. If the person proves to be a spammer...delete the post. I say this with all due respect to our moderators here of course." If it looks like a SPAM, walks like a SPAM, (I'm retarded) and talks like a SPAM...guess what...it's probably a SPAM. "I am not a moderator, but wouldn't sending the person a private message stating what you just said take the same amount of time it takes to belittle the person in the public forum?" Here we go again (I'm retarded) with those private messages (usually to Bo). What's up with that? "1. Is the product sellable? Can I but the same thing on eBay for $5.00? Up to this point you haven't told us what the product really is. I can write an ebook on how to make $10,000/yr. in Quixtar, a one word ebook that says: "Quit." Is my ebook worth $55?" (I'm retarded) Is Prostate Formula 'sellable'? Is your entire 'business' worth 55 bucks? Posted by: Non-Believer / 1:13 AM |
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Comments: >>There are a lot of people that claim that they are not interested just because of going to the weekly meetings. I want to know is it better to show the plan on my own and have home meetings for those who are interested to be IBO's or should I shut up, suck it up and put on my suit and bring those who are on the consideration list to the meetings.<< Have you heard about Passport? Don't worry about the suit. Passport doesn't require one...I've been told. Most of their business is conducted 'online' in the Passport business suit (boxer shorts..and a warm cup of the old stock Amway Nine-To-Five coffee from what I have heard). >>Two do anybody have any creative ideas on getting new contacts, interviewing them and bringing them to the meetings? My Upline has a format laid out but this is my business and I'm trying to build a "better mousetrap." My goal is to be an Eagle by April of 2004.<< Keep on flyin'...you'll probably make 'Buzzard' sometime this year. (a bunch of motivational tape salesman who are feasting on your JOB income with a bunch of useless tapes, videos, books, and rally tickets ect....while you are laying helpless in the middle of the road). Aint it great!!! Go Diamond.... Posted by: Non-Believer / 1:11 AM |
Monday, December 29, 2003 |
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Name: Non-Believer
Comments: QBLOG, No response required.... >>I'll be honest. I have no idea what you're talking about. Frankly you often confuse the hell out of me but maybe that's because I'm intellectually inferior. Who knows?<< Good, you shouldn't because it was never intended for you. >>I say rhetorical because I don't expect you to contact me with an answer and I won't be returning to this board to read any response.<< I won't. And it has been nice to see you participate on a 'PayPal' free board. No 'voluntary' donations required here. We do this just for the hell of it and our comments don't have to be catalogued or filed. >>I'm sure my departure from this board won't be missed. I don't think I've really added any truly constructive comments to the "debate" in quite a while.<< You're right there...it won't. But since you have the hotline to Bo 'Passport' Short (and BubbaShop), if you ever get those numbers, can you post them here? Posted by: Non-Believer / 2:09 PM |
