The Non-Believer Memory Hole

2004-08-31T13:51:00.000-04:00

>>If the only thing Amport ever accomplishes is to suck people out of the circus, I would call that a success.<< I would call it just another waste of time. Is Amport really a business or is it just some treatment program for disgruntled former Circus clowns? You guys are FINALLY admitting that Amport is nothing more than a noble crusade to save a few souls from the circus. To me that is weak

2004-03-08T22:44:00.000-05:00

I BEAT MY KIDS

2004-03-08T22:43:00.000-05:00

THE REAL ‘DOC MARTENS’ Part I “All marketing begins with getting attention. Pay Per Click advertising is one way to get targeted attention.” And covertly stealing Amway’s name by including it in your keyword list is another brilliant way of ‘getting attention.‘ Multiple posts about absolutely nothing to keep your posts at the top of the heap on any Amway board in existence can also be

2004-01-24T14:07:00.000-05:00

Club Scene III Non-Believer: (Looking at a female) Mama told me about folk like ya'll. Female: You look 40 years old, you still live with your Mama? Non-Believer: No, I just hike 2 blocks to her house to use her computer to discuss multi-linking-freeshopping stuff, since I don't have one. Female: So what happened to your teeth? Non-Believer: 4 teeth is enough for me. Female: OK

2004-01-18T18:35:00.000-05:00

Non-Believer Comments: >> I spent more than 7 years in amway and my eight yers old daughter was molested by my upline. Reapeadedly. We confroted him about htis and he denied it unitl we found a shoebox full of polaroids. We were outraged but since he was a diamond nobody believed us until they saw the pictures and some still believed him.<< Amazing. But I bet he ran to AmPort just as soon as

2004-01-18T18:34:00.001-05:00

Non-Believer Comments: >>How do you know the intitial funding of Passport came from money made in Quixtar?<< It may not have. Amway could have just been merely easy pocket change from the JOB incomes of his downline followers and 'hi speed dubbing' tape collectors. The real money could have come from motivational speaker fees (outside of Amway), books, and associations with controversial

2004-01-18T18:34:00.000-05:00

Non-Believer Comments: Banking It, Since you claim to only buy books that are available at Barnes & Nobel, does your TOD group push similiar garbage like I have posted below? Do the (3) TOD diamonds put out stuff like this? "a real live "animal house" by nolan and hulda dunlap "hot and wealthy, or cool and broke" - a two tape set by randy and susan walker, "what ever happened to easy

2004-01-18T18:33:00.002-05:00

Non-Believer Comments: >>Passport wouldn't have a story to tell if MLM didn't have issues. I believe Passport is filling a void in the industry. In my opinion, my group is growing because people are better educated about MLM today than they were in the past and because people are sick and tired of being taken advantage of.<< Nope. You group is 'growing' because you were able to recruit some

2004-01-18T18:33:00.001-05:00

Non-Believer Homepage URL: http://www.amquix.info/sounds/tod/tod_website.mp3 Comments: Banking It' What is pathetic? 1) What about trying to hide the connection with Amway behind the smokescreen of the TOD cult...err...shopper's club? "We tie into Microsoft......err.........Fry Media.......err..........(What's the name of that other company?.........err.......Quixtar.........err....

2004-01-18T18:33:00.000-05:00

Non-Believer Homepage URL: http://www.amquix.info/tod_open.html Comments: This came from a link to Scott Larsen's site on the QBLOG site about TOD. It is pretty pathetic...What do you think it 'Banking It' or Gonna' Bank It...Eventually?...about buying stuff from yourself? I guess I need to find a 400ft cliff to jump off of to see what it feels like...to be rich from buying from my own

2004-01-18T18:32:00.000-05:00

Non-Believer Comments: This is a national holiday weekend. I heard that alot of the functions are scheduled during these time periods just in case some of the Amway Coventioneer's are able to get the actual federal holiday on Monday off from their JOBs. At least that is what has been posted on these 'bathroom walls'....I have heard. Instead of driving back home late Sunday night from a

2004-01-18T18:31:00.002-05:00

Non-Believer Comments: Humor O' the Day...Part 1000 * Note: I didn't make this one up. It is an example that I found of a Passport associate's approach to get total strangers/'customers' to purchase their wares. (The names have been changed to protect the innocent). SxxxFxxx: Hey Buddy, how are your knees feeling? -- A nice ice breaker to get the conversation going with a total

2004-01-18T18:31:00.001-05:00

Non-Believer Homepage URL: http://www.drugstore.com/ Comments: "Why beat your head against the wall when you can find companies that pay out 50%, have free training already in place, and have products that are reasonably priced? Don't look at this as a commercial for Passport...look around the industry." Yeah...Right.... "Have you ever taken the time to do some price studies?"

2004-01-18T18:31:00.000-05:00

Non-Believer Comments: Market Saturation at the BLOG, Do you want to see something that is really funny? Go to the QBLOG site and watch the Passport recruiters compete with thier multi-linked messages that all lead back to BO's mirror sites. They will comment on ANYTHING just to get their multi-linked messages to the top of the heap. Looks like FreeShop has some serious competition over

2004-01-18T18:30:00.000-05:00

Non-Believer Comments: The Tape Dilemma Part 4 >>10,000 x 104 (only two tapes per week) = 1,040,000. $1 Million x $6.00 = $6 Million dollars...not $58 Million.<< I will concede on this one because you might be right. Considering TOD only has 3 diamonds and Brother Orrin had to go through all those ridiculous financing maneuvers to buy his 3 million dollar recording studio/condo, it is

2004-01-18T18:29:00.002-05:00

Non-Believer Comments: The Tape Dilemma Part 3 52 X 4 = 208 per year 208 X 40,000 = 8,320,000 8,320,000 X $7.00 = $58,240,000 * Assuming you have 40,000 TOD go-getter's Banking It, what is your current tape count (and your spouse's...if TOD does have a women's tape club)? I know you have cleared the century mark (a couple of times) by now.

2004-01-18T18:29:00.001-05:00

Non-Believer Comments: Banking It' You never got around to answering the question "Does TOD have a women's tape club"? I might have to adjust that 2000 tapes figure (for a TOD veteran) if this is true. Also, can you list some of the titles of the books that TOD forces...err...'encourages' the women of the TOD family to read? Can you imagine a TOD household with two 'high speed dubbing'

2004-01-18T18:29:00.000-05:00

Non-Believer Comments: >>The women's book club does the same thing. This is much more than simply a money making thing, this is about character development and self improvement while at the same time making money.<< WOW...that's the first time I have heard about a women's book club. Do they also have a women's tape club? "Not to make money of course"...lol >>Every tape is different. You

2004-01-18T18:25:00.001-05:00

Non-Believer Comments: Oh..I forgot one 14) EBAY site - To clear out a decades worth of Amway inventory from the attached warehouse at the crib

2004-01-18T18:25:00.000-05:00

Non-Believer Comments: How to be a successful business man from the Comfort of Your Home: How many web sites/domains/redirect sites and Amway message boards do you need to run a business while cozyed up in the traditional Passport business suit? Let's count shall we... 1) Bo's site 2) a 19.95 mirror site to Bo's site (no longer required...I guess). 3) Free mirror site to Bo's site 4

2004-01-18T18:24:00.000-05:00

Non-Believer Comments: >>You don't listen to the tapes, so you don't know what's on the tapes.<< I did listen to one CD (3 minutes worth). If that is a sample of what's on the rest...you can keep it. >>You don't go to functions, so you don't understand the benefit of the functions.<< I have never jumped off a 400 ft. cliff either. >>You don't read the positive books, so you don't

2004-01-05T12:57:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: >>Is Don out showing the plan in people's living room with a white board and marker? Absolutely. Is he showing up to IHOP and drinking water waiting for a no show? Yes he is...<< I have read alot of your hypothetical ambabblings but this one might just take the cake. 'IF' Donnie is the proud owner, CEO, whatever....of a multi-million dollar company, I seriously

2004-01-05T12:56:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: >>Team of Destiny members claim to have a 600% growth rate, and they will need every last bit of that rate if they want the numbers to stay even while using those tactics. People are tired of being lied to and taken advantage of. JUST TELL THE TRUTH!<< So would we (tired of being lied to and just want the truth). If Passport is experiencing a 1% attrition rate,

2004-01-05T12:54:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: Banking It, >>Don Freeze already ran a multi-million dollar international company before joining TOD...<< I bet he almost blew a gasket when he saw that first $7.00 check. Six months later...he could be 'Banking It' at 59 bucks per.. P.S...do you really think we are that stupid or does 'Donnie' believe he has a few hundred thousand 'vulnerable' people to take

2004-01-03T11:40:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: >>So what really sets Passport apart? 2. Truly Home Based. If you are not in the business of making money by having meetings, and the business is simple enough to explain over the phone or online, why take you time away from your family when you can accomplish the same things from home?<< Can you say...I smoked away all my brain cells in the sixties!!! 1) How do

2004-01-03T11:38:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: >>The leaders of TOD have big nice houses that are paid for...these people built the business the same way you and your ex did.<< I also heard the leader of Passport lives in a big nice house (according to one of the Passport members that used to post here. He made that statement in an attempt to refute the claim that Passport was going under and Bo had put his

2003-12-30T22:34:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Homepage URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MLMQuestions/ Comments: Humor o' the Day, I quess FreeShop couldn't ride the free (I'm retarded) QBLOG advertising campaign ...even with the great motivational tape salesman 'Bo' himself riding the deception train with him over there. He has finally decided to form his own 'free' Yahoo Groups. It's about time he spends time

2003-12-30T01:13:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: "Please do not consider this SPAM. I invited this guy to post here from another forum. If the person proves to be a spammer...delete the post. I say this with all due respect to our moderators here of course." If it looks like a SPAM, walks like a SPAM, (I'm retarded) and talks like a SPAM...guess what...it's probably a SPAM. "I am not a moderator, but wouldn't

2003-12-30T01:11:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: >>There are a lot of people that claim that they are not interested just because of going to the weekly meetings. I want to know is it better to show the plan on my own and have home meetings for those who are interested to be IBO's or should I shut up, suck it up and put on my suit and bring those who are on the consideration list to the meetings.<< Have you

2003-12-29T14:09:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: QBLOG, No response required.... >>I'll be honest. I have no idea what you're talking about. Frankly you often confuse the hell out of me but maybe that's because I'm intellectually inferior. Who knows?<< Good, you shouldn't because it was never intended for you. >>I say rhetorical because I don't expect you to contact me with an answer and I won't be

2003-12-28T01:17:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: More debate on Amway VS. Passport....., "- Book of the month, (only you can buy it anywhere you want, get it from the library, borrow it from a friend, etc.)" That 'Book o' the Month' stuff sounds familiar. I read about something like that on one of the other Amway boards. "People can still show Passport one on one or even on white board in a home." That

2003-12-28T01:16:00.001-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: QBLOG, I saw these comments from you at your site and thought I might interject another angle concerning ADVERTISING that most large corporations depend on... >1. Pep Rally - The use of tapes, a few books and seminars/conferences to inspire and "pump-up" the IBO. 2. Rewards - Giving bonuses, achieving PIN levels, actual checks from Quixtar, trips, visits with

2003-12-28T01:16:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: I found this quote while doing a google search on the internet for a 'former mouse looking to for a big rat at the old biz' This statement apparently came from a Nutrilite (Amway salesman): When they asked my dad to sell the product to their friends, he said, "You sell it to them and I'll pay you a commission." (with emphasis) Of course Passport associates must

2003-12-28T01:15:00.002-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: QBLOG >>I'm glad you're enjoying yourself with these online conversations. I think it's important for people to find a hobby. Some folks collect stamps. Other folks do crafts. And many people participate in online discussion boards.<< This is not a 'hobby' for me. I have many other 'real' hobbies like fishing and various other sporting activites...ect. I also

2003-12-28T01:15:00.001-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: N0. 90 (...ish) >>First of all the Bonus Check is $82. (You call yourself The Truth on this board?...good one.)<< O.K...I stand corrected...It's $82 not $62 (w/no tools). >>The imnportance of the $82 figure is that after you subtract the expenses of a Passport Associate, there is money left over. In other words the average Passport Associate shows a net profit.

2003-12-28T01:15:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: QBLOG, Don't take this stuff so seriously...it is only a message board and not real life. It is quite entertaining just to sit back and watch what people will do for 62 bucks a month (on average). They would sell their souls to the devil for....63 bucks a month....and teach others to do the same. Don't you think it is pretty pathetic when you have competing

2003-12-28T01:14:00.001-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: Bankin' It' >>"I've gotten my statistics from Orrin Woodward who has said that over 4000 people in TOD are making $1000+ per month."<< Are you really serious? This is MATEMATICALLY impossible (according to the data you volunteered to release here). B.I...look into the stats for a second instead of diving into the tapes....It might help

2003-12-28T01:14:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: >>Mark Huber is an emerald and quite satisfied at that level.<< Mark Huber is an Emerald because of the truth being posted at boards similiar to this one. Somebody had the talent to recruit a force of about 39,975 out of the 40,000 who don't have a chance in hell unless it freezes over in the next 12 months. Just look at the track record...."How many new Emeralds

2003-12-28T01:13:00.002-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Homepage URL: http://www.snowblowerreviews.com/toro3650.htm Comments: It might be time to get the Datsun out of the pawn shop and fire up the ole' Briggs & Stratton and get the 'real' business back up to speed. Oh...I almost forgot, it's December..my bad... Does anybody have any recommendations about where a good snowblower can be purchased from? I found this one for $586.

2003-12-28T01:13:00.001-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: Just a thought, ...62 bucks a month after being in operation for over TWO years? Are you freakin' kidding me! That means your 'average' Passport associate can't even purchase a 'Happy Meal' at Mikey Dees from their daily 'profits'. I feel sorry for the guy at the bottom of the heap who can't evevn afford a bag 'Top Ramen'...from Wal-Mart. (but I bet he somehow

2003-12-28T01:13:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: QBLOG, I understand now (for the 5th time :) I have seen so many different tactics used to to disrupt good information. Some person is even posting as 'me' here. I don't understand what the purpose is but stick around and we will see where this goes. Happy Holidays!!! ....to you also...

2003-12-28T01:12:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: Finally, we get some data on Passport that is really important when someone is on the recruiting trail looking for 'business' partners. How many Passport associates are there? Ignored... What are the gross sales in Passport? Ignored...again!!! What is the average bonus check that Passport associates receive? "The average bonus check recipient receives

2003-12-22T02:59:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: More concerns from the 'field'... "I am looking for any financial results on Passport. I have talked with someone involved but it just didn't make sense to me. I am a little worried when my friend said he could phone conference me with the "big guy" BO. If he is so big how can he have time to talk with every new prospect??" "Passport, even though they are 2

2003-12-22T02:58:00.001-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: QBLOG, The 'Non-Believer' post over at your BLOG wasn't me. I don't know what this persons motive is but it is quite interesting. Maybe your site has been infiltrated by one of those 'Roys' we have heard so much about.

2003-12-22T02:58:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: Some more quotes from the field..., From the MLM Know How to waste your valuable time and money in some pyramid scheme board, "I'm not sure what the joke was, but why won't anyone on this board answer any questions about passport. Isn't that what we are supposed to be discussing?? Does anyone have any financials on this company or is this all smoke and mirrors.

2003-12-22T02:57:00.001-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: bump...for Barney, Any comments? This stuff just keeps popping up on my computer screen...for some reason, "Does that sound like a company that is in financial trouble? Passport has turned a profit every month since Dec. of 2001." This is only after ONE month in operation...it sort of sounds like the 1% dropout claim (not considering the fact that Bo issued

2003-12-22T02:57:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: Ask yourself this simple question, Why would I claim a post and then 'quote' some of my own remarks? Whoever is using my name is doing a terrible job. I know it is the weekend, but you might want to put down the Miller High Life bottle before you come here. Just a thought... Why do these guys resort to this tactic when they can't HANDLE THE TRUTH?

2003-12-22T02:56:00.001-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: It looks like we are under attack AGAIN...The Amaholes are out in full force...I'll see you guys next week....:)...

2003-12-22T02:56:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: Don't you have something better to do?... Non-Believer Comments: >>Looks like I've overstayed my welcome here. When the moderator doesn't even know what he's talking about regarding pyramids, mlm and business concepts in general; and when no one else is even willing to engage in any intelligent discussion with me, then it's time to leave. Wait a minute,

2003-12-22T02:55:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: >>Looks like I've overstayed my welcome here. When the moderator doesn't even know what he's talking about regarding pyramids, mlm and business concepts in general; and when no one else is even willing to engage in any intelligent discussion with me, then it's time to leave. Wait a minute, what was that noise? Oh, okay that was the huge collective sigh of relief from

2003-12-22T02:54:00.001-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: >> Yes, you are correct. That is a name he used previously on this board. When he moved his primary recruiting operations here, I guess he decided to change it because of the conotation of using such a name to recruit for Passport. I guess it was supposed to be some kind of attention getter for mlm recruits. << Oh it is? How do you know this? I can't

2003-12-22T02:54:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: That's not necessary here in this forum...The AMH might be a little different than you are used to when it comes to promoting Amway or (TOD). The AMH posters here REALLY don't care what you do. All we can say is good luck to you ...and I hope you find some machines to stuff the remaining boxes of "stuff' stockpiled in your garage ...

2003-12-22T02:53:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: >>"If you want to debate, what is your subject?" Why are YOU asking ME that? You're the one who's picking the fight.<< I am not 'picking the fight' so to speak. I just want someone who is willing to post here with the 'real' information is instead of some hype they heard from their upline....or 'BO' in the 'other' mlm's case.

2003-12-22T02:52:00.001-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: >>No doubt you'll be coming back on here hours from now after making sure I'm logged off, once again claiming that I have no guts to debate you, when in fact you're the true gutless one.<< It is 8:40 P.M (eastern) right now (and the next game just started). If you want to debate, what is your subject?

2003-12-22T02:52:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: RL, >>Your words speak a totally different language than your actions do.<< Can you be more specific? When did I hide from something here? What 'actions' are you talking about? >>That's from others' knowledge of this case that I am privvy to as a direct distributor in my organization.<< If it is a 'case' then it should be filled somewhere and be public

2003-12-22T02:51:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: This stuff just keeps popping up on my computer screen...for some reason, "Does that sound like a company that is in financial trouble? Passport has turned a profit every month since Dec. of 2001." This is only after ONE month in operation...it sort of sounds like the 1% dropout claim (not considering the fact that Bo issued blanket automatic annual renewals

2003-12-22T02:50:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: >>As a side note to the misinformed, Bo Short did not "leave" or quit Amway/Quixtar. He was tossed out on his hind for sticking his hand into the till trying to steal other Diamonds' share of the tool money, as well as committing other numerous ethics violations.<< I'm not known for hiding under women's undergarments, especially when it relates to posting on some

2003-12-22T02:47:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: Humor O' the Day I found this post of a 'Passport Associate' because I have absolutely no life and my self-esteem is so low I anonymously pick on people who are trying to support their families the way they know how. 'Passport Associate' to another poster: "Will you please contact me directly also, so I can send you a Christmas Card? I want to include a

2003-12-20T09:56:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: >>I worked for a company that sold outerwear to Sam's Club. The company operated on 2 levels distribution and sales and did not own any of the manufacturing.<< Now I see where your interest in the shoe business was born. Unfortunately for you, you didn't realize until a decade later that Amway was setup just like Sam's Club...without the tools, functions, tapes

2003-12-20T09:55:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: >>Well I'm out of here. No doubt, these mice will come back on here and start talking behind my back once I'm gone, without my being able to defend myself. Later.<< See ya... This definitely isn't Banking It...this person has no stones to stick around and prove his case at all. This person seems to be more like a Bo Short loyalist who can't stand the heat

2003-12-20T09:54:00.001-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: It's nice to see that someone would chose to waste their time talking about me. I am not the issue here...YOU are...not me.

2003-12-20T09:54:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: >>Been busting Non-Believers since 2001!<< And....???

2003-12-20T09:53:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: Nice try...but it ain't workin'... Why don't you spend your time at a JOB earning an extra 85 bucks a month to buy stuff from yourself instead of wasting your time using someone elses name on some internet board? What is your point?

2003-12-20T09:52:00.001-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: >>A Britt World Wide Platinum said that part of the Quixtar - Dateline story will be based on BWW. I am curious to find out if Team of Destiny has said anything about this story. Do you think they will be mentioned?<< Who cares? It would be nice if Dateline could base their story on some (untitled) Passport associate who has decided to take advantage of their

2003-12-20T09:52:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer (not the fake one) Comments: My friends joined quixtar, they are very involved in the meetings and recruiting process. I think that it is great that they are excited, but for what? They have know businnes, they dont even know a single thing about running a business. They use catch phrases told to them by their leader. I think it is a cult as they seemed to be brainwashed. The

2003-12-20T09:51:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Homepage URL: http://non-believer.blogspot.com/ Comments: Thank you for this site. An old friend called me recently and started talking aobut "going into business together". He sent me some CDs to listen to, and eventually I figured out it was Quixstar, a company I had never heard of. Naturally, the first thing I did was search Google, and I have found a number of useful

2003-12-18T23:42:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: Were gonna 'smoke em out of their holes'.." G.W Bush (not that I am an ardent supporter but it was a great quote) Here's a good laugh for ya...If you really find this to be funny or absoluting disgusting that somebody could be taken advantage of like this, This one is from TyBoNator...aka...(whatever other ridiculous name he decides to call himself), >>

2003-12-18T23:41:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer (the beetle) Comments: If that's the case, them maybe you should keep your 'private' opportunity to yourself...what a concept!!! I can't believe that we have intellegent individuals that would fall for this line, especially ones who have been dragged through the mud previously in Amway. What in the hell are they thinking? All I have to do is to get some contract for some

2003-12-18T23:39:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer (the beetle) Comments: Bo Knows...I guess, >>1. How many Associates are currently enrolled in Passport? I received no answer to this question. I asked several times and have still not gotten even a vague answer.<< >> 2. How many Associates are "active" and how many are "inactive?" I did not receive a specific answer to this question either. To be fair, this may be

2003-12-18T00:36:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: My Beloved Barney, >>Who says we are the best? Bo Short does. The VP of Quixtar at the May meeting in Toledo who explained that the future of Quixtar depends on the TOD business model and that TOD is building it's business 332% faster than any other LOS and has the lowest attrition rate.<< Did Bo really say this? I heard some Passport numbers will be posted

2003-12-17T17:56:00.002-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: >>"From the playgrounds of our elementary schools, to the halls of Congress and the boardrooms of corporations, Americans must lead...This organization is worthy of our support and enthusiasm and I commend Bo for his vision...I believe that Bo's leadership will have an important impact on this country in the years to come." Senator Strom Thurmond Former President

2003-12-17T17:56:00.001-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: I am just trying to do my part to keep the board fair and balanced. If none of the stuff that was posted elsewhere is true, then that is why we have you to dispute it. I didn't make the stuff up. Why don't you post the link to your 'free' web site? I won't consider it as some sort of recruiting scheme since it was a request. I would like to take a look at it.

2003-12-17T17:56:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: Some comments from the peanut gallery Re: Passpsort, Barney, Is any of this stuff true or are they just pulling our leg? Why would someone make these comments if none of them are true? >>Are you kidding? You are interested in Passport? An MLM with no System is like a car with no engine. May look good but it’s not going to take you anyplace.<< >> Bo was kicked

2003-12-17T17:55:00.002-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: BREAKING NEWS: >>Got additional scoop re: Passport. Bo Short is in financial trouble (which means Passport is too). His house is up for sale and so is Passport. I talked to someone that knows the details re: the sale of Passport. No buyers yet.<< Barney or FreeShop (or whatever name you are using these days), Is this really true? You mean to tell me there ISN'T

2003-12-17T17:55:00.001-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: Since it seems that my first proposal to FreeShop was denied I have another one for him, (this one is a little more mlm 'friendly') Let's say I find another person with a pair of 'George Gervins' for instance and I also find another person with a pair of 'Magic Johnson's sneakers. Then we could both go out and teach others to do the same. We could have 1,000..

2003-12-17T17:55:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: Banking It, I am not an IBO...nor do I ever intend on being one. The previous post put my handle in the 'name' slot and I think it was a mistake.

2003-12-17T17:54:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: I have been IBO for 2 years. Consider myself decent businessman. My wife and I own a retail store and make 60,000 year but working 70 hours + a week gets old. Our good friends showed us this business and I really thought it would be cool if it worked after all the site is pretty impressive. In my opinion the products are too expensive and I couldn't convince myself

2003-12-16T17:22:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: >>I think Britt used to say that Jesus was the first to sponsor 12.<< And you believed it for how many years? >>A good BOT will go to church on Sunday, but won't let church lure them into volunteering for a commitee because that could take the BOT away from building the business.<< Did you classify yourself as a 'good BOT' while you were throwing your money

2003-12-16T13:01:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: Anti-Wrinkle Cream: Quixtar .5oz: $64.35 $128.70 per oz Passport: .5oz: $ 9.95 $ 19.90 per oz Hydrating Masque 2.5oz: Quixtar: $20.00 Passport:$ 8. Prostate Health: Quixtar: $53.95 Passport: $13.95 Reading the comments from the pro-Amway gallery at the 'BLOG'... "I totally disagree with everything that this website states. It is a waste of

2003-12-16T13:00:00.001-05:00

Name: Non-Believer (not the fake) Comments: Somebody actually has more time on their hands than myself...now that's amazing. If it is FreeShop Shizzle Dizzle, I find it odd that he would have so much extra time on his hands to create elaborate MP3 files ect... I doubt he has the extra cash to pay someone to run his own PR department since the bulk of his Christmas bonus was probably spent

2003-12-16T13:00:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Homepage URL: http://non-believer.blogspot.com/ Comments: Just in case you haven't figured it out yet...AMPORT spelled backwards is TROPMA.

2003-12-15T23:24:00.000-05:00

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2003-12-15T12:27:00.001-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: It's a slow morning...., >>To this day I have never seen a profitable Schedule C Tax return of a Platinum or lower. Perhaps I will change my mind if Winner were to show me one.<< >> 1099 doesn't show expenses but I will contact you privately and give you my fax number.<< If you fax me a copy of your 'Passport' schedule C for 2003, I promise not to release any

2003-12-15T12:27:00.000-05:00

2003-12-15T12:26:00.001-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: UPDATE: From the world of BLOG, (the fake BLOG) >>Aside from the training aspect, the MOM Team has many of the red flags that I would watch out for when evaluating a MLM company.<< You tried to slam Amway and now you are going after the MOM team? Are you kidding me...where is you dignity? Can't you find some other mlm scheme to attack besides one that is

2003-12-15T12:26:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: >>Those who get involved in Quixtar buy their products from Quixtar and the partner stores because they get paid to do it.<< Maybe this was just a typo...they PAY you to buy stuff at a 30% or more markup from most other retail stores? And they PAY you to listen to the $6 a week nonsense that you bee bop to on your way to and from your JOB to earn more money for

2003-12-14T10:35:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: What is more interesting is why 'Banking It' or his (inactive) distant cousin 'Not Banking It...Yet', even bother to post here in the first place. What is the point? We have ...maybe.... five or six people who post here on a regular basis and for the life of me I can't figure out why they would come back here to argue the same points over...and over again on this

2003-12-13T10:51:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: >>3) If you are here to share the facts then share them correctly. NO there are NOT just 3 people in TOD making 6 figures....there are in fact 3 diamonds but there are also 8-9 emeralds (and that is from 2002 statistics so there may be more now) who are also making 6 figures.<< O.K, we'll round if off to 12 out of 40,000 loyal buyer's club members. >>My

2003-12-11T22:54:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: >>I am not an advocate of the "buy products from yourself to riches" business model, but your arugument does not prove that the pyramid is negative without business expenses.<< Who the hell are you kidding? You spent a DECADE (or so, it depends on what version you believe) in Amway and now all of a sudden you don't 'advocate' the buy products from yourself to

2003-12-11T21:13:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: >>YOU WONDER WHY YOU'RE BEING DESCRIBED AS LAZY IF YOU DON'T AND IBO'S WONDER WHY ARE IBO'S STUPID, IGNORANT, BLINDED TO THE SYSTEM AND THE UPLINE AND EVERY OTHER DESCRIPTIVE NEGATIVE WORD YOU CAN COME UP WITH FOR TRYING.>> You couldn't have built such a huge negative pyramid system over the last few decades by a bunch of 'stupid' or 'ignorant' people. The people

2003-12-11T08:37:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: To cyber Al Bundy, >>I don't think anyone will ever abandon traditional shopping, but I just heard this morning that industry experts are predicting a $17 billion online shopping season for the holidays. I don't sell shoes online all of the time, but whenever I bring them in, they sell very well.<< The journey of a true salesman.... From soap and hope, to

2003-12-10T14:44:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: Barney, >>...I told you, one does not have to build a team, you can make money just by selling products to customers...<< If team building isn't that important, then why must you model your business in a pyramid stacking scheme? Wouldn't you agree that this is just a risk-free way to sipher money off the less fortunate at the lowest levels and funnel that

2003-12-10T09:26:00.001-05:00

2003-12-10T09:26:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: >>I would agree with you that to start its been up and down..but its taken a little bit of time to learn some things..get better at other things...washout the old bad things from that other company if you know what I mean....but I think with Bo's help either personally when I talk to him on the phone or with the conference calls on retailing and stuff..things are

2003-12-09T01:13:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: Barney, >>My 1st bonus check was $105.20....my highest so far is $198.65..and my lowest was $35.93..<< Thanks for the stats. It has been awhile since anyone was been forthright around here (except Banking It') and provided some kind of data that we could use to make some observations. How did you manage to go from $105.20 in your first month and then fall off

2003-12-08T17:13:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: >>You said that Bo Short's first check was $7.00 and his 24th check was $25,000.<< I bet he cleared a little more than 7 bucks on the that first Passport check...thanks his good friends at the ShoppingFree Network and the associated associates. KA-CHING, KA-CHING!!! It ain't easy being at the top of the pyramid. Barney, Did you clear 7 bucks on your first

2003-12-07T00:10:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: Barney, >>Bo Short has stated..less than 1% have not renewed in 2 years..<< Where? >>Its non-pyramidical because you must make sales to customers..its not a buying club..<< If you say so. I guess 'block building' is something different. ..>>the conference calls are all at 9pm so if you have a cell phone its free or if you have an unlimited plan on your

2003-12-07T00:09:00.000-05:00

2003-12-06T21:28:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: >>Barney, You left and didn't answer any of the questions I asked. What's up with that?<< That deceptive tactic might have been discussed on one of those conference calls with Bo that they keep trying to get us to waste our long distance minutes on. It’s amazing to me how they seem to follow the same pattern of not really telling you anything except how they “

2003-12-05T22:27:00.000-05:00

Name: Non-Believer Comments: >>TOD does not ask for blind faith. It's leaders have made a lot of money and want to show other people how they can do the same thing.<< Banking It, When the 'leaders' finally get around to showing other people how they can do the same thing, can you please let us know? From the stats that you have volunteered to post here, only a miniscule handful of your